Om vores rivaler VII

Siempre Madrid skrev:

DarioGomez skrev:

Furia skrev: Jeg er ikke stødt på noget info om stemningen i spillertruppen. Hvis de for alvor stolede på Rosells forklaring og bakkede op om ham, kunne man godt forvente en lind strøm af tilkendegivelser på Twitter og lignende, men der er intet. Jeg ved, at mange af spillerne synes godt om Laporta, men om det er ensbetydende med et kølligt forhold til Rosell, ved jeg ikke. Man kan sagtens forestille sig, at sagen kan påvirke spillet på banen, hvis der dukker flere kontroverser frem i den nærmeste fremtid.

De fleste socis har efterhånden meget lidt tillid til Rosells administation, og der er umiddelbart utilfredshed med, at Bartomeu får lov til at fortsætte til 2016. Bartomeu er ven af Rosell og har netop bestemt ikke rene hænder i Neymar-transferen. Det er næsten umuligt at forestille sig, at Rosell har kørt rent solo i den sag, og derfor er det svært at have tillid til Bartomeu og resten af bestyrelsen. Jeg ved ikke, om der arbejdes på et mistillidsvotum allerede nu. Et forsigtigt gæt vil være, at de forskellige grupperinger vil se sagen an i den nærmeste fremtid. Det kan også ende med, at presset på Bartomeu og co. bliver så stort, at de selv udskriver nyvalg. Jeg ved ikke, om det er helt fair at sammenligne sagerne, men det minder lidt som samme situation i Real Madrid i 2009, hvor Bouda tog over for Calderón.

Mht. en evt. ny præsident er der ikke nogle oplagte bud i øjeblikket. Rosell vandt overbevisende ved sidste valg, men Laporta spøger stadig i kulissen. Hvis Laporta ikke selv er interesseret i at stille op, kunne det sagtens blive én, der sympatiserer med ham og Cruyff.

Særligt interessant, og jeg synes faktisk, det er helt fair, at du trækker tråde til Calderon. For det var en lige så grim sag for en anden spansk storklub, og det er fint at minde os i øjeblikket noget så kække madridistas om, at vores klub bestemt også har haft sine uheldige sager.

Noget andet, og i min optik ret så springende, er snakken omkring prisen på Neymar. For jeg har læst mig frem til, at det drejer sig om, at man ikke kan redegøre for 40 millioner Euro.
Snakken går det meget på, om de 40 er en del af de offentliggjort 57, eller om det kommer udover dem.
Hvis det sidste er tilfældet, er det en decideret skandale, hvis det er det første, så er sagen naturligvis alvorlig, men slet ikke på samme katastrofale niveau, da Rossell i så fald ikke har løjet om, hvor meget han har trukket ud af klubkassen.

Jeg ved af gode grunde ikke op og ned i alt det her, og Rossell kan være helt uskyldig. Det vil jeg lade domstolene om at afgøre, de har givetvist mere styr på detaljerne end mig.

Calderón-sagen var på ingen måde køn og jeg skal ikke forsvare hans handlinger, men det spanske retsvæsen har netop frafaldet sagen mod ham. Det gør ham ikke til uskyldigheden selv, slet ikke.

Det spanske retsvæsen kan jo ret beset godt ende med at gøre det samme med Rossell! ;0)

Furia skrev: Mht. Bartomeu til 2016 skal det nævnes, at man kan stille et mistillidsvotum og dermed kræve nyvalg. Mener det kræver 15% af medlemmernes underskrifter at få det sat i gang.

En sjov lille anekdote:
Tidligere krævede det kun 5% af medlemmernes underskifter at stille et mistillidsvotum. Det blev dog ændret for nogle måneder siden til de nuværende 15% af Barcas ledelse. Inden ændringen blev indført prøvede en lille fraktion ved navn Go Barca at stille et mistillidsvotum overfor ledelsen, da de ønskede ledelsen fjernet. De endte dog med at give op, da de fandt det umuligt at få 15% af medlemmernes underskrifter grundet regelændringen. Det ironiske er, at lederen af denne fraktion hed Jordi Cases. Det er samme person som sidenhed meldte Sandro Rosell for fusk i forbindelsen med Neymar-handlen, hvilket indtil videre har krævet Sandro Rosell's afgang :)

El_Juan skrev: Offerrollen er klædelig. En klassiker i det moderne samfund. Spørg bare Rosell og Calderón ;-)
Super fine input til hele historien - tak for det! Især til dig Furia!

For at vende tilbage til det sportslige. Et par fra dagens rygtesmede:

Barcelona will try to sign Sevilla's Argentine centre-back, Federico Fazio, for next season. (SPORT)

According to L'Equipe, Monaco have made an enquiry about signing Brazilian striker Hulk from Zenit St Petersburg.

Håber inderligt de går efter Fazio. Han er supergod med bøtten, men han er helt væk når spillet foregår nede på gulvet.

Nogen der ved hvordan det går med Valencia og Peter Lim ?

Cases' lawyer calls for lawsuit against Rosell to be dropped
Felipe Izquierdo fears that "people who have nothing to do with Barcelona might try and exploit the situation and use the lawsuit against Barcelona".

Felipe Izquierdo, the lawyer who represents Jordi Cases, the Barcelona member who filed a complaint against the now former Barcelona president Sandro Rosell which was admitted to the High Court earlier this week, has suggested the lawsuit should now be withdrawn, following Rosell’s resignation on Thursday.

Izquierdo, who explained that both he and his client were “surprised” by Rosell’s resignation, told Catalan radio station 'RAC1': “My opinion is that the process should be brought to an end now. We now have a problem in that, in the phase we are at the moment, people who have nothing to do with Barcelona might try and exploit the situation and use the lawsuit against Barcelona, and I don’t want that to happen."

And he said that in his opinion the complaint lodged by his client “has nothing to do” with Rosell’s resignation.

Izquierdo also revealed that his client had received “many threats” in reference to Rosell claiming in his resignation speech that Rosell had claimed to have reeived in light of the case, but said he was unsure as to whether he’d be able to convince Cases to withdraw the lawsuit.

The lawyer also believes the case could come back to haunt the new Barça president Josep Maria Bartomeu, sporting vice-president under Rosell, and the club’s economic vice-president, Javier Faus.

“It’s something that happens often in a process, the case has barely begun, we are in the first day. We won't know until we see the contracts if Bartomeu and Faus also signed them.”

(as.com/diarioas/2014/01/24/english/1390575076_632439.html)

Halamadrid85 skrev: Nogen der ved hvordan det går med Valencia og Peter Lim ?

Fra et tidligere indlæg (www.madridista.dk/index.php/forum/debat/...vii?start=3360#41895):

MMM skrev: Og andetsteds i den spanske sæbeopera har Bankia afvist Peter Lims bud på Valencia og kigger istedet nærmere på de øvrige bud der kom ind inden deadline: www.marca.com/2014/01/23/futbol/equipos/...ncia/1390469164.html

Sandro Rosell and Barcelona Set for a Bumpy Ride over Neymar Deal

The decision of Sandro Rosell to fall on his sword following a court case that will explore the dubious details of Neymar’s move to Barcelona promises to be only the first bombshell in a story that looks set to run and run.

Barcelona have their backs against the wall, and to quote Winston Churchill who knew a bit about fighting with your back against the wall, “this is not the beginning of the end, but just the end of the beginning.”

Rosell insists Barcelona have done absolutely nothing wrong, and he asked the judge to call him to court so he could abandon the limits imposed by confidentiality clauses in the contracts, which stop him from explaining at length how Barcelona bought Neymar.

So how did we come to this?

Everything starts with doubts emanating from the Barcelona dressing room in regards to just how much Barcelona paid for Neymar and what exactly he was being paid.

The official line was that he cost €57.1 million and would receive a salary of €7 million a year after tax.

There was, however, the small matter of €40 million commission paid to a company called N and N, owned by Neymar’s father and the player himself, as reported by El Mundo Deportivo (h/t ESPN). That money divided among the five years of the contract lifted the player’s wages to €15 million a year, again after tax, and made him the club’s top earner. At the moment, Lionel Messi has to survive on €13 million a year after tax.

In fact, you can go back in time to find other reasons for what we are seeing now. In 2011, Real Madrid approached Neymar and even went as far as to give him a medical, little realising that he had already agreed to join Barcelona. After the medical he informed the White club of his new destination. To say the Castilian club was not amused would be an understatement.

Real, who never need much of an excuse to beat Barcelona with a stick, then made it clear that when they tried to sign Neymar at the last minute, they found out that the true figure would have been around €150 million, so the €57.1 million being quoted was simply not true.

People wanted to know what was going on, not least season ticket holder Jordi Cases, but when he asked the questions, the silence was deafening. Unable to get any answers, Snr Cases chose to take the legal route.

And so it was that in court the judge, Snr Pablo Ruz, adjudicated that indeed there was “sufficient evidence” to open an investigation into the payment of €40 million commission to the N and N company.

To that end, Ruz has asked FIFA to send all documentation pertaining to the deal, as well as the contract made between the club and N and N. The judge has also declared that an investigative commission in Brazil should receive all work contracts and transfer details.

There’s also the small matter of €7-9 million paid for the rights on three youth players at Santos and another €9 million for the playing of two friendlies against the Brazilian club.

Add to this a clause that means Barcelona will pay Neymar’s father to discover footballing talent in Brazil, which could prove problematic for him bearing in mind that he lives in Spain.

There’s also another clause that states that the player should be paid more in the event of him being played out of position, and on an altruistic note one that designates money for the poor from the Rio favelas.

The official line from Rosell is that with the judge deciding there is a case to answer, he felt the correct thing to do was stand down and fight the matter and not affect the credibility of the club.

He also talked about having received threats and how that had affected his family.

Never totally at home carrying the mantle of the presidency, I don’t believe Rosell ever took on the role because of a deep love, but rather from a sense of commitment to the club and also to the huge forces, political and financial, that have backed him.

The good news for Rosell is that, for the time being, the judge considers that it is neither “urgent nor necessary” to charge him and it is the contract that needs investigating. The bad news is that Snr Cases is looking to prosecute Rosell personally.

Fasten your seat belts; it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

(bleacherreport.com/articles/1935094-sand...ide-over-neymar-deal)

El_Juan skrev:

Sandro Rosell and Barcelona Set for a Bumpy Ride over Neymar Deal

The decision of Sandro Rosell to fall on his sword following a court case that will explore the dubious details of Neymar’s move to Barcelona promises to be only the first bombshell in a story that looks set to run and run.

Barcelona have their backs against the wall, and to quote Winston Churchill who knew a bit about fighting with your back against the wall, “this is not the beginning of the end, but just the end of the beginning.”

Rosell insists Barcelona have done absolutely nothing wrong, and he asked the judge to call him to court so he could abandon the limits imposed by confidentiality clauses in the contracts, which stop him from explaining at length how Barcelona bought Neymar.

So how did we come to this?

Everything starts with doubts emanating from the Barcelona dressing room in regards to just how much Barcelona paid for Neymar and what exactly he was being paid.

The official line was that he cost €57.1 million and would receive a salary of €7 million a year after tax.

There was, however, the small matter of €40 million commission paid to a company called N and N, owned by Neymar’s father and the player himself, as reported by El Mundo Deportivo (h/t ESPN). That money divided among the five years of the contract lifted the player’s wages to €15 million a year, again after tax, and made him the club’s top earner. At the moment, Lionel Messi has to survive on €13 million a year after tax.

In fact, you can go back in time to find other reasons for what we are seeing now. In 2011, Real Madrid approached Neymar and even went as far as to give him a medical, little realising that he had already agreed to join Barcelona. After the medical he informed the White club of his new destination. To say the Castilian club was not amused would be an understatement.

Real, who never need much of an excuse to beat Barcelona with a stick, then made it clear that when they tried to sign Neymar at the last minute, they found out that the true figure would have been around €150 million, so the €57.1 million being quoted was simply not true.

People wanted to know what was going on, not least season ticket holder Jordi Cases, but when he asked the questions, the silence was deafening. Unable to get any answers, Snr Cases chose to take the legal route.

And so it was that in court the judge, Snr Pablo Ruz, adjudicated that indeed there was “sufficient evidence” to open an investigation into the payment of €40 million commission to the N and N company.

To that end, Ruz has asked FIFA to send all documentation pertaining to the deal, as well as the contract made between the club and N and N. The judge has also declared that an investigative commission in Brazil should receive all work contracts and transfer details.

There’s also the small matter of €7-9 million paid for the rights on three youth players at Santos and another €9 million for the playing of two friendlies against the Brazilian club.

Add to this a clause that means Barcelona will pay Neymar’s father to discover footballing talent in Brazil, which could prove problematic for him bearing in mind that he lives in Spain.

There’s also another clause that states that the player should be paid more in the event of him being played out of position, and on an altruistic note one that designates money for the poor from the Rio favelas.

The official line from Rosell is that with the judge deciding there is a case to answer, he felt the correct thing to do was stand down and fight the matter and not affect the credibility of the club.

He also talked about having received threats and how that had affected his family.

Never totally at home carrying the mantle of the presidency, I don’t believe Rosell ever took on the role because of a deep love, but rather from a sense of commitment to the club and also to the huge forces, political and financial, that have backed him.

The good news for Rosell is that, for the time being, the judge considers that it is neither “urgent nor necessary” to charge him and it is the contract that needs investigating. The bad news is that Snr Cases is looking to prosecute Rosell personally.

Fasten your seat belts; it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

(bleacherreport.com/articles/1935094-sand...ide-over-neymar-deal)

Helt forfærdelig artikel, hvis jeg skal være helt ærlig. Selv Churchills citat er fejlciteret. Det rigtige citat lyder således: "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning".

Man skal aldrig bruge bleacherreport til faktuelle ting. Man skal udelukkende læse deres artikler for underholdningens skyld.

Storken! Hørt!

PS: Kan vi ikke aftale, at vi bare poster links til artikler i stedet for at smide artiklen i sin fulde længde herind?

Det tager en krig og lidt ekstra at scrolle ned på siden, når man besøger vores forum via mobilen! :0)

Puha, ja jeg kan godt se det er et slemt fejlcitat og helt ved siden af. Find en passende størrelse sko næste gang :-)

Det står dig frit for hvad du mener. Bleacherreport er, ganske rigtig, mest for underholdningens skyld, men det hænder rent faktisk, at de til tider - som i dette tilfælde - har nogle glimrende skribenter udefra ind over.

Når dit eneste argument er et 'fejlcitat', som knap nok er et 'fejlcitat', så var det i den grad nødvendigt. Det kan jeg godt se. Man kunne sikkert ikke fange pointen alligevel. Det er nemt at kritisere, når man alligevel ikke selv har noget konstruktivt, at bidrage med ;-)

Here's the catch: Ingen tvinger dig eller andre til hverken at læse det, eller nødvendigvis i, at være enig eller uenig. Så længe det eneste du kommer med er: "Det er en forfærdelig artikel. Fordi, det er det bare. Fordi der er et fejlcitat. Og fordi jeg i øvrigt ikke lige bryder mig om bleacherrepport", så er du sådan cirka ikke et hak bedre selv, end det du kritiserer. Projektioner - gotta love 'em :-)

Sanllehí fastholder, at prisen er 57,1 mio € (40 mio. € til N&N (Neymar Sr & Nadine) og 17,1 til Santos). Det virker meget mærkeligt, hvorfor han ikke udtalte sig om dette i går, men først efter Rosell er trådt af og Bartomeu er trådt til. Pressemødet er en kæmpe joke.

Bartomeu snakker uden om og taler bl.a. om, at fodbold afgøres på og ikke uden for banen, at mange mennesker ikke er kommet over, at Neymar valgte Barcelona frem for andre klubber og de ikke har løjet om Neymars kontrakt. Han snakker videre om, at Rosell trådte af, af personlige og sikkerhedsmæssige årsager, mens Barcelona først kunne udtale sig om kontrakten, efter de havde fået grønt lys af Neymars far, som netop havde givet grønt lys.

Ydermere udtalte Sanllehí, at der var et bud på 100 mio. €, plus en dobbelt så stor kontrakt (direkte adspurgt om Real Madrid bød, svarer Bartomeu blot, at flere store europæiske klubber var ude efter Neymar). Han udtalte, at Neymars løn lyder på 11,3 mio. (med sign-on bonus og bonus til faderen) og faderen fik 2,7 mio.

Og det værste af det hele:

Bartomeu: "The Di Stefano affair was very sad for Barcelona".

De er lige kommet til et helt nyt lavpunkt. Men de lyder sandt nok, som vaskeægte politikere. Den ros skal de have!